Long & Wrong

Thoughts about trading (FX and Index Futures)

How Not to Lose Money?

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Note the question mark in the title above. I’m not promoting the skeleton of a trading strategy here, I’m just recording a few thoughts on this topic.

I’m obsessed with how easy it is to lose money trading, I know I did for long enough, but I’ve never been convinced that it should be that easy.  So I’ve been thinking about what a trading strategy would look like if our aim was not to make a fortune but  rather was just  not  to lose money.  Here’s what the back of my envelope looked like after 10 minutes,

  1. If we don’t want to lose money then our cost of doing business should be minimised.  The profit target for each trade should be very much greater than the spread.
  2. The  distances between our entries and exits should also be sufficient to minimise our exposure to ‘noise’ (we could use ATR for this but we aren’t that clever yet, anyway the human eye is an excellent judge). Noise is just a 50/50 gamble and we want (slightly) better than that.
  3. We will only trade with the trend.  ’The trend‘ is the slope of the price on the chart (time-frame) that we plan to execute our trades on.  Once again we’ll just rely on our eyes.
  4. In order to further nudge our system towards an edge, any edge, we will place our stop the far side of support/resistance (s/r) and our target will be at s/r.  Once again we are not trying to be clever here, s/r is a horizontal line from where price has deflected significantly in the past; no fibs, no wedges etc.
  5. We will aim for a modest risk:reward of between 1.0 and 1.5:1, rejecting trades if this isn’t possible given the 4 points above.
  6. Once the trade is open we will leave it well alone.  More information does become available with time but a little information is a dangerous thing if you don’t know how to interpret it, e.g. it becomes an excuse to get out too early, so we’ll ignore it.

Now there are two things I don’t know, actually there are lots but I am trying to be specific,

  1. Will this simple approach lose money? I don’t think it will, but I wouldn’t bet my house on it.
  2. Is there any point to aim this low, to not lose money?
I should have stuck with the Mini
I should have stuck with the Mini

Is it possible to start like this, and maintain capital ,whilst you learn about the market and increase the expectancy of the method by gradual refinement? Are new traders blowing accounts partly because they try to trade like highly profitable traders from Day 1 (which is like learning to  drive in a Formula 1 car and crashing it on the first lap).

Like I said, this is just a topic for thought/discussion.  I’m on holiday this week but I am so committed to my meagre readership that I took time out to post this.

I was here, until I had to post this.
I was here, until I had to write this.

Oh OK then, I wrote this last week and scheduled the post for today.

Written by long&wrong

July 29, 2009 at 8:29 pm

Posted in Strategy

6 Responses

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  1. You are going to have to change this blog title to Short & Right.

    You’re bang on here UF. I won’t muddy the waters with my own ramblings as they are rambled on at you know where.

    This is the key, how not to lose money rather than how to make money.

    You may have to become an official guru if you keep this up. You charge us money and then get arrested several years later.

    Enjoy the holiday and stop looking at the blog.

    solfest

    July 29, 2009 at 9:13 pm

    • Thanks for the kind comments.

      I’m starting now on the banner-ad that reads “Pay me $600 and I’ll show you how not to lose money”. I’m convinced people will click on that rather than “The forex secrets the banks don’t want you to know, earn yourself $2,000 a day before breakfast” :-)

      And anyway ‘uncertain futures’ is a poor choice of name for a guru, I’m as likely to be given money as someone called ‘Made-Off’!!

      uncertainfutures

      July 31, 2009 at 4:23 pm

  2. Interesting thoughts :)

    “Is it possible to start like this, and maintain capital ,whilst you learn about the market and increase the expectancy of the method by gradual refinement?”

    An emphatic “yes” from me.

    Market Monkey

    July 30, 2009 at 1:17 am

  3. Thanks for the emphatic-ness (!). Any compliments gratefully received as I sit here regretting my choice of deciding to stay in the UK for my summer holiday.

    uncertainfutures

    July 31, 2009 at 4:32 pm

  4. So what are the refinements then, just a few ideas wanted?

    Darlington73

    August 2, 2009 at 12:07 am

    • That’s where the hard work starts, and the process is different for everyone. I’d start, as an example, trying to pick out the major levels of s/r so that you can begin to tighten stops and increase r:r.

      All depens on your basic strategy, psychology etc though.

      Think you haven’t commented before so welcome aboard.

      uncertainfutures

      August 2, 2009 at 6:25 pm


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